From: Collins, Monica P.
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:12 PM
To: Lacy, Robert P.; Collins, Monica P.
Subject: Conversation with Lacy, Robert P.
Collins, Monica P.
I'll let you see my conversation when I'm done.
Lacy, Robert P.
must be nice
Collins, Monica P.
lol not really lol: I have to come up with nearly $3K.
Lacy, Robert P.
:|
thats a whole 2 degrees @ mountain ive
view
Collins, Monica P.
$2195 for Web Database Development.
Lacy, Robert P.
:|
geeeeeeeeesssseeee
Collins, Monica P.
It covers a lot of stuff, w/o all of the other crap DCCCd makes you take.
Lacy, Robert P.
web database? sql server?
still a lot
a microsoft cert doesnt even cost that much
Collins, Monica P.
hang on, i've been typing into the wrong box lol
Here, look for yourself: _http://www.gatlineducation.com/webdata_over.html
click on Outline
Collins, Monica P.
What do you think?
Lacy, Robert P.
a lot of that you will not use here
such as perl, php, coldfusion
this seems to be geared more toward the developer that does front end work
Collins, Monica P.
So, it might be best to take the separate courses as I had orignally planned on doing.
Lacy, Robert P.
where as all we do is backend
not even database
Collins, Monica P.
That's where I came up with $2780.
Lacy, Robert P.
but methods, services and server side code that the front end utilizes
seperate courses yea
but one thing im looking at doing is taking the mcsd exams
there is a series of them @ 100$ per exam, but in the end you get the certification
which is pretty impressive in the developer world, can even add it to your title
Collins, Monica P.
These are the separate classes: _http://www.ed2go.com/online_courses/wp/web_and_computer_programming.html
Lacy, Robert P.
microsoft certified solution developer
Collins, Monica P.
yeah, that would be nice
Lacy, Robert P.
those seperate courses look better
would only need to take about 1/4 of them i think
stuff like c++ and java wont really matter
or php and mysql
Collins, Monica P.
This CS rep is gonna hook me up with one of their counselors, however, I'm thinking that you're probably right about the smaller classes.
Lacy, Robert P.
yea
Collins, Monica P.
lol either way, i'm spending over two grand
it still hurts
Lacy, Robert P.
geese
yea
Collins, Monica P.
however, the thing that i like is that, even with the 6-week classes, there is still an instructor.
Lacy, Robert P.
yea
Collins, Monica P.
yeah, i think that i'll back to my original plans.
Lacy, Robert P.
i dunno
im kinda in the same boat
i know the stuff, just not well enough
Collins, Monica P.
I don't have enough of any of them to do any kind of damage.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
Collins, Monica P.
k, so can i get a 6-week course from DCCCD for $139? I don't think so.
Lacy, Robert P.
yea
i got a semester course for that
its like 30 $ per credit hr
if you live in dallas county
Collins, Monica P.
i do. however, that is too slow for me. i can have all of these taken inside of a few months.
Lacy, Robert P.
true
but will the learning experience be the same?
Collins, Monica P.
it should be.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
Collins, Monica P.
hang on
looks like they are back to their original $99 price. even better. _http://www.ed2go.com/online_course/cpb/detail/Introduction_to_C%23_Programming.html?department=WP
_http://www.ed2go.com/online_course/asp/detail/Introduction_to_ASP_NET.html
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
Collins, Monica P.
i'm still gonna try and get some of this reimbursed.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
that might be difficult
i couldnt get mine back
Collins, Monica P.
i have the years, the rating is the problem.
at this point, all i care about is getting the assignments.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
scott seems to be more willing to spread them out
have you asked him for them?
Collins, Monica P.
not yet.
Lacy, Robert P.
i see
Collins, Monica P.
i'm kinda screwed. with web stuff, you really need to know a number of things to do some damage. the days of coding a simple html page are long over.
Lacy, Robert P.
yea, true that
i just recently finished up my first full .net web
Collins, Monica P.
that, and i don't have any 'pet' projects to work on. i have a possible one for c#, not xml.
Lacy, Robert P.
no tech spec no nothing...code review this week
kinda nervous because i know i did some things the long way, but its the only way i know how
Collins, Monica P.
i guess thart i was very short sighted when i got transferred to this group. i guess that i hoped that all of this training would be offered to me. kind of stupid on my part.
Lacy, Robert P.
thats one thing ive found
they are not going to train you that much
its all trial and error
Collins, Monica P.
and i haven't had the money to go out and seek it for myself. as it is, the only reason that i will be able to start up these classes in the next couple of weeks is because i'm sacrificing the little spending money that i have. and now i will be replacing that with yet another loan, meaning that i still can't pay into my 401k.
problem is, i don't know enough for even 'trail and error'.
i don't like the golearn because they don't offer enough practice.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
yea
Collins, Monica P.
well, reading the chilton manual on your particular car does not make you skilled enough to work on your car, if you get me.
Lacy, Robert P.
yep
Collins, Monica P.
i'm just gonna have to make a sacrifice, whether I can afford it or not.
Lacy, Robert P.
have you tried looking for torrents?
thats how i learned iphone programming...i found this linda.com tutorial
thats another place you should look
lynda.com
its mostly high level stuff tough...not deep down nitty gritty
Collins, Monica P.
sounds interesting. i have a bit of a problem with that.
Lacy, Robert P.
but its useful to get a good over view
but the torrents are full of stuff
like exercises, exams etc
all fre
e
Collins, Monica P.
ever try to look up the spelling of a word in the dictionary when you don't know how to spell the word?
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm, no
usually i can sound it out enough
Collins, Monica P.
lol. try it sometime. my point is that i can't look for something when i don't know what it is i'm looking up.
lol yeah, so do i, however occasionally i forget exactly how to spell it. one or two letters off and you wind up searching in the wrong part of the dictionary lol.
i've come across some language stuff through torrents. i just don't enough about anything to be dangerous.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
Collins, Monica P.
kind of like saying that i want to buy a sports car, but not know what make or model, size engine, etc.
Lacy, Robert P.
yea
Collins, Monica P.
i wouldn't know what to look for. and i have an adversion to asking such things.
Lacy, Robert P.
gotcha
when i first got here though....not gonna lie
i knew very little
they asked me to modify the front end of an asp.net page
i was like :|
but what i did was looked at what was already there, and built on it
Collins, Monica P.
imo, you are in a different position. they hired you knowing that you didn't know a lot.
Lacy, Robert P.
i saw that oh <asp::button> that means add a button control
and on runat="server" is needed to make it a post back control
after a while it all made sense
Collins, Monica P.
as with me, or someone like me, i am expected to come to them knowing it.
Lacy, Robert P.
yea
they assumed i knew more than i did
Collins, Monica P.
as in 'oh you want this job, show us what you know', not 'oh you want this job, k, we'll train ya'.
lol
Lacy, Robert P.
lol yea
Collins, Monica P.
and i haven't been in the position to train myself in the last double handful of years. it's gonna hurt to do it now, but i gotta.
i don't wanna go out like Wildow did.
Lacy, Robert P.
who
Collins, Monica P.
he was in another merchandising section, you probably didn't know him. he retired the same year that Persyn did. I think that he was a 4D.
Persyn was a 4F.
Lacy, Robert P.
ahh
Collins, Monica P.
I've got 20 years to get to where Jeff is. I would be satisfied with that.
Lacy, Robert P.
i just dont want to be at the very bottom anymore :(
i want davids job one day...in like 15 or 20 yrs
Collins, Monica P.
i know, i feel ya.
i don't know if i would want that one.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm
Collins, Monica P.
probably easier work for me, in the grand scheme of things. problem, i have to get from here to there, and i'm having enough trouble as it is lol. it would get far harder before it got easier.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm yea
well if it makes you feel anybetter, i havent gotten any training here and dont expect it
sure sr or david will show me a thing or two every now and then, but thats about it
advice
Collins, Monica P.
actually, this company has not been very big on that, unlike my mother at the irs, who gets bookoos.
i just can't go out and get it for myself, which is why i'm so pissed at things.
Lacy, Robert P.
yea
im still trying to figure out how i can squeeze in more school on top of my debt/income
i feel ya
Collins, Monica P.
yeah. like i said, i will do it this year, cuz i'm tired of things staying as they are. however, i either sacrifice spending money or i spend another year not paying into my 401k. actually, truthfully, the only reason that the latter is happening is cuz i have some car work to do and i need to get the loan for that, and if that is the case, i might as well get one big enough to cover everything.
Lacy, Robert P.
hmm, yea
Collins, Monica P.
we have serious stipulatons on our 104k package here. only one loan at a time against it, and when you get a loan, you are not allowed to make any deposits into it. so, i have not paid into my for a decade.
Lacy, Robert P.
dang
Collins, Monica P.
i know, tell me about it. all my fault, but it still hurts nonetheless. i got a loan in 2000 and it took 3 years to pay off. then i got one for $13K in 2003 and that took 5 years to pay off. i've gotten three more in the last 3 years, for yearly car repairs and other expenses.
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